All About Traditional Chinese Medicine for Fertility @aphroditefertilityacupuncture

All About Traditional Chinese Medicine for Fertility @aphroditefertilityacupuncture



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I have wanted to interview an acupuncturist about how Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) can support fertility for a LONG time, so I was beyond excited when TWO acupuncturists agreed to chat with me about TCM for reproductive health. In this video, Ghoncheh Ayazi and Emily Marson, of @aphroditefertilityacupuncture in San Diego, CA, share how the different tools in TCM, including acupuncture and herbal medicine, improve and enhance fertility and overall well-being.

We talked about when to start working with a TCM provider (including which phase of your cycle to start), how acupuncture can help with grief after a loss, and so much more.

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hi there Kendra hbert here I'm a registered dietitian and yoga teacher and I specialize in women's health and fertility I'm quite delighted to share this interview with you I just interviewed two fertility acupuncturists Emily and gon the owners of aphrodi fertility in San Diego in this interview they shared so much information about how Chinese medicine works and how it can support people who are either actively trying to conceive who are preparing to start trying to conceive in the future and even people who have experienced pregnancy loss this interview is jam-packed with so much information so if you've ever been curious about how Chinese medicine can support you on your fertility Journey you're going to love this interview let's get right into it hi Emily hi G thank you so much for joining me today I'm beyond excited to have you here and to have everyone meet you so let's Dive Right In introduce yourselves and let us know who you are and what you do great to be with uh speaking with you Kendra thanks for having us um so my name is gon and together we um this is Emily we are Aphrodite fertility so we're a fertility education Brands and acupuncture Studio here in San Diego and so our entire goal um is to really bring women out of the darkness of infertility and to help them Reach their dreams of bringing home their healthy happy baby and we do that through U very much an integrative lens so we're trained acupuncturists we we specialize in fertility acupuncture we also help um working with uh patients who are maybe undergoing fertility treatment whether that's IUI or or IVF and to really help um bridge the gap and get them to their goal of um their healthy baby yeah yes and um my name's Emily Marson and um together we make up Aphrodite like G said and we are actually just expanding as well I just want to throw that in there that um we've added not only acupuncture and TCM and integrative fertility care but also now how we found you is U we're adding a studio a fitness studio that will have yoga and pilates that is centered towards women who may be going through their fertility Journey or their um perinatal prenatal and postpartum or even just hormonal regulation so the classes will be designed around the intentions um and just bringing women up and helping them feel their best oh I love that and I love that you're integrating so many different things together to support people because often it does take a lot of tools to build something like in general right in life you can't build everything with a hammer sometimes you need I don't know other tools but you need other tools a hammer so I love that you're making all of those tools available Under One Roof amazing I'm excited there was a term that you use that I think can get thrown around a bit and kind of the fertility Wellness space and so I want to make sure that everything is well defined before we move forward so you said acupuncture and you said TCM so TCM is traditional Chinese medicine I'd love it if you could tell us exactly what traditional Chinese medicine is and explain how it's it's more than just acupuncture yeah so uh traditional Chinese medicine encompasses um a a wide variety of tools so acupuncture is one of them and probably the best known um it also includes herbal medicine so there are uh a set and defined um group of herbs and formulas that the Chinese have used for a thousand years um to treat certain conditions and symptoms that come up um in the patient who comes in in front of us and then there's nutrition advice as well um there's a thing called moxabustion which is a burning of an herb instead of an herbal medicine which is ingesting of the herb um which is super powerful and and honestly magical if I'm going to use the word um it in the western sense what it does is it brings down inflammation and in the the sort of Western World there is aot lot of chronic inflammation that's not quite um well defined by or well diagnosed by Western medicine and so MOX abusan is part of this cohort of tools that we have in our tool bag as traditional Chinese medicine practitioners um and then we do some traditional massage as well called TWA and uh in addition to that there's some energy work called chiong and U some people may have heard of taichi it's a sort of a a sid step from Tai Chi um so there's a a whole wealth of new tools that a lot of Western um the the Western World doesn't doesn't really know well and so we bring that to the table as well as um our knowledge of Western fertility diagnosis and tools and we merged them because we think like the best care is is that that is integrative because we're all looking at the same body right we all want that body to be well and and function well um so there shouldn't really be um clashing it should be here's all the tools let's define what's going on and work together to bring this P this woman in our in our case um into full fertility and full health I love that I love that you two definitely have like a wealth of knowledge in both worlds and you see so clearly how they can actually enhance each other and that it doesn't have to be one or the other it's really just what's best what is the best thing to serve the person in front of you exactly I want to sort of speak to that because something that we do often when a patient comes into um sometimes what can show up is like low thyroid hypothyroidism for fertility cases um and um the goal we have to keep in mind is always to get the patient to their healthy happy baby as fast as we can like that they're they're in such distress and so the goal we have to keep the goal in mind and so could we use traditional Chinese medicine and herbal medicine to bring the thyroid function up yes does it take longer than it takes for someone to take some Synthroid or leev thyroxine and then get them to their healthy baby it does because it's natural accumulative medicine and so for it's very different for some a patient who comes in for fertility who wants to be pregnant now versus someone who's just coming in for wellness and wants to regulate their thyroid what will do for someone has hypothyroidism it like obvious clinically diagnosed hypothyroidism is say we suggest you talk to your doctor about getting on a little medication because that in itself could be the the thing that turn that ticks the needle the needle that sort of um moves the needle is the word yeah and and that's and the goal we have to keep in mind the goal is the healthy happy baby not our um uh sort of like like like a preconceived notion about how it should be done like you know traditional Chinese medicine is sort of above Western medicine you know like we don't there's whatever works is what we suggest you know there's no um competition does that make sense it does yes absolutely makes sense and I'm so happy that you said it because I definitely think there can be a feeling of I don't want to put words in people's mouths but I've definitely had clients that have come to me and it's almost seems as if they feel like they've failed if they can't just do it with like nutrition and exercise and that's not a failure to make use of everything that's available to you to support you in reaching your goal sot exactly and we really see it all as like Tools in our tool kit you know kind of like what you said earlier about the hammer you know a hammer can't fix every problem it's like well what do we what's in our toolkit what do we want to use let's take this maybe try it that didn't work let's try something else and it helps to like take away someone like the emotional charge around like what it means if you need an extra support U because we just remember that it's a good tool and tools are here to help us yeah there is no shame in using whatever is available to you at all you mentioned the word diagnosis and I feel like this is is something that I really kind of struggled with and still struggle with as I learn a little bit more about Chinese medicine is how different the diagnosis is compared to what you might receive from a western provider so can you tell us a little bit about how a diagnosis is made and how that differs from how a diagnosis is made in Western medicine you want to take it yeah sure uh well we can tag tag team in um so you know in Chinese medicine we look at the body as a whole um all the systems are connected and they all play into one one another and even though according to Western medicine it may seem completely like unrelated so in like the Western medicine Paradigm you'll go to like an eye doctor and then you'll go to like a dermatologist and then you'll go to like a heart doctor and you're going you're getting all these different cares nobody's talking to each other um but when you come to see a licensed acupuncturist we're looking at all the systems and um and that kind of helps tell that that tells us what the bigger picture is of going on instead instead of zooming in on one thing and you know maybe throwing something at one particular um symptom we're looking at really the whole picture so um as far as as far as diagnosis um you know there's we have internal organs so Chinese medicine understands understands the body um from our from the point of view of our internal organs all the organs have a particular function and work together they should work together in harmony so when there's um an imbalance in in any of the organs or the function of the organs whether there's too much of something what we call excess or there's not enough of something what we call it deficiency then there can be um disharmony or symptoms um that could then lead to a diagnosis so um there's this phrase in Chinese medicine that says like one um what what is it one one pattern many diseases many diseases one pattern so in Chinese medicine we look at we look at what's called a pattern which is a pattern of of your symptoms that paint picture um and that pattern can coincide with many different Western medicine diseases or you can have many many diseases that coincide with um with just one pattern um so so like for example a patient comes in and they have a diagnosis from their Western Medical practitioner their doctor like um PCOS and um we don't choose points for PCOS we choose points for the set of symptoms that the patient says that they're having um which may be different from someone else who comes in with PCOS and they're having other symptoms um and so we're treating the patient in front of us instead of the diagnosis that's labeled on them okay and so that's um sort of how diagnosis shifts it's very between Western and Eastern our medicine is very curated to who's in front of us and not pointing at um uh treatment to the particular diagnosis in the book that make sense it does it does the way someone explained it to me once was the idea of you can have a cough and you can just you know suck on a cough drop but that doesn't tell you where that cough is coming from right like it may be because someone's smoking around you and which which case you would need to address the fact that someone's smoking around you it may be because your throat is dry in which case you would need to drink some water or maybe it's because you have allergies and so you know that postnasal drip and so how you would actually get to the root of that cough would be different than just taking a cough drop am I getting it right yeah exactly yeah yeah and I can go why don't I this is probably a good point to sort of go into the basic theory of Chinese medicine um which I've spoken about on another uh sort of interviews but I I like to sort of get this digestible version out because when people talk about Eastern medicine they talk about Chi and it's like woo what does that mean so um when you rub your hands together it creates a heat okay so movement creates heat that's that's something that everyone can get behind when you run you sweat okay and so your organs move so your heart pumps and your kidneys filter and your lungs expand and so there is heat coming off of the movement of your organs and um this heat is what we call Chi okay so this this heat is heat is energy in general um like when you turn on the burner on a stove it can boil water okay so heat is energy your organs give off heat and just like your nerves and your blood vessels this heat comes off of your organs and runs in certain patterns in your body so the heart heat comes off of your heart and runs down the inner aspect of your arm and this you may have seen in the Eastern medical traditional um uh posters those are the channels of chi the channels of heat and so um when the heart itself or its heat pathway becomes uh either deficient or in excess like inflamed or stagnated Then There are a certain set of symptoms that present um so for example in Chinese medicine if the heart heat is in excess um there is there can be anxiety you think heat rising to the head off of the heart right um and then there's the the mind going um there can be insomnia because there's again heat rising off excess heat rising off of the heart and goes to the head at night when you should be nice and cool um and so what the needles do in acupuncture and herbal medicine do is um they go they they address the organs heat pathway and they go in along the points uh along the pathway to an El elit a response from the body and so just like any foreign body ENT entering the body like a beasting even though it doesn't feel like a beasting um the body uh basically sends blood and lymph there on a lot of patients there will be a little bit of like a um histamine reaction you'll see a little bit of redness and that means that the blood and the chi and the lymph are going to that deficiency and filling it up or that stagnation and it's pulling it and it's pushing it through or bringing down an INF inflammation and then that organ's heat pathway can resume Optimal Health and you'll see those symptoms come down so that is um sort of the philosophy the Western version of the philosophy behind traditional Chinese medicine oh no that all makes tons of sense and it definitely points to the fact that we are getting um I guess I would say like a new language in a way like a language to express something that has long been understood in another culture in another lens and now we're having the words to explain it in a western sense and so I am seeing more reproductive endocrinologists recommend that their patients go visit acupuncturist I'm assuming that that's because there's research that's encouraging people to explore it so can you talk a little bit about any of the research that you've read or come across that is saying hey this is something that we should be exploring more for people who are trying to conceive yeah I can take that one um yes so a lot of the um well first of all what's really cool about studying acupuncture is that in in a in a clinical research setting is that they've done functional MRIs and um they could you there's a let's say a point on the leg that in traditional Chinese medicine says that let's say it brightens the eyes Okay um and so they'll put the point in in the leg and they'll have a functional MRI and they'll see the portion of the brain that is uh involved in eyes light up so while Western medicine can't explain like why that is what where the connection comes from they can see that it is working right um and so the difficulty with Western research around acupuncture is that um the best research is done under a double blind study okay the the most well-respected research and it's hard to give someone acupuncture without Act without giving them acupuncture like how do you do that blindly right so um the the good thing is is that while they can't do a double blind test what they can do is see that it works they what they can't they can't figure out how the connection is but they can see the results are St statistically significant and they can do that a lot of time for fertility under the controls of IVF um because in the IVF setting the hormone system so the the speaking from the pituitary gland to the ovaries is sort of suppressed is suppressed and so then they in ibf they um uh control for exogenous hormones so they uh decide the dosing of the hormones that come into the body and so that there's not any um internal influence of of hormone regulation and so what they can do is see that acupuncture can increase pregnancy outcomes in a controlled setting does that make sense um and so there has been a lot of research between onsite acupuncture at transfer and increased um blasticus formation this is very technical but in the IVF space because of the controls um and and what's really cool is that fertility doctors and IVF clinics have to publish their success rates it's it's public information and so while um uh a PCP may be hesitant to recommend acupuncture because they don't really get how it works a fertility doctor is very eager to recommend acupuncture because they can see that it increases their success rates and what matters to them because they have to publish their success rates are their success rates so we get maybe 60% of our patients are recommended um from IVF clinics here in San Diego because the fertility doctors know that it works they don't know how it works but they're like hey we want success obviously everyone does for their patient go see this uh acupuncturist over here and we can together get you to the more a more like a higher chance of getting you to a healthy pregnancy okay no that definitely helps me understand exactly why it is that providers are starting to make this recommendation more and more and more as you were talking this question came to mind and it feels a little bit more philosop philosophical or maybe just something I'm working through myself so if you don't have an answer no worries I am constantly trying to find the balance between maybe do I need to talk to my therapist about this we'll see um find the balance between respecting traditional wisdom and respecting that it doesn't need to be backed by science to be valid and the scientific evidence influences and encourages people who that is what they need in order to feel comfortable exploring something new it helps them feel safe in trying something new how do you too balance respecting what has long been known and accepted and I guess being okay with I don't know if there's a right term for this um being okay with the fact that some people need scientific evidence in order to believe something is true I'll take a step at it yeah that's that's such a cool question you know I think it really just depends on who's in front of us um most of most of our patients who walk through our door are just very like type A they just like knowing um things in a very kind of like technical form um and some people really love knowing what the research is and other people just want to be like talk to me about Chinese medicine like talk to me about how acupuncture actually works um so really just depends on on who's in front of us um the really cool thing though um is that you don't have to believe in acupuncture like acupuncture is not like like something you have to believe in for it to work it's going to work no matter what um even if you are very skeptical so so we um like like for so it works um the reason it's not Placebo like believing it works so it works is because they do it on animals and so animals don't have a conscious understanding of what's happening to them um but an animal that walks in with hip pain and gets um acupuncture and leaves jumping around there was no placebo effect so again like speaking to what G say you don't have to believe it for it to work yeah yeah so I think it's it's a a natural kind of evolution um in kind of our modern day and age of like practicing this like incredible ancestral body of wisdom uh with the utmost reverence and respect um and gratitude that we get even get to practice this medicine um and then also kind of like adapting our practice of it in a way where people are very information driven everybody's coming in they're Highly Educated everybody's Googling stuff and they come in and they have questions you know they've done their research so um so it's you know it's helpful for us to be kind of backed by the scientific body of research to help to explain to people and kind of give them um ease and also a lot of a lot of people are coming in our Healthcare Providers as well um nurses and doctors so it's really helpful for them to hear about the um the vast body of research that shows acupuncture is really helpful for increasing pregnancy yeah and I'd also say um you know sometimes the research needs to catch up to the clinical results um in in Western in Western and in any research right like there has to be enough research done on a on a a large amount of people for it to really coincide statistically with what the what you're seeing in the clinics happen um and so it may just be that because acupuncture is just starting to be studied in a clinical in a in a research setting that they haven't caught up with the what we're we're seeing in the clinic that makes sense and it also takes like so much funding to even have research to explain what we've been seeing what what what you know the Chinese have been observing for thousands of years and clinically what we've been seeing for years and decades it takes decades for that research to you know even get funded and then published and then be publicly accessible so it there's definitely a l time yeah and and I mean we'll just keep going and also like you know there there's intuition around the you can lean into the fact that it's been around for a thousand years right and if it didn't help people feel better you know it wouldn't have survived so many decades hundreds and of years um so you can even if you don't if you don't know how to explain it you don't know why you feel better when you leave you can lean into the fact that you're of this huge body of people that it's helped absolutely yeah I mean that definitely is evidence right there's lots of different forms of evidence so thank you for going with me on that ride and being willing answer like my existential crisis of a question so thank you you actually touched on something a little bit earlier you talked about people coming in for General well-being and maybe not feeling as under the gun or under like a time crunch to get things done as quickly as possible and so I'd love to hear about what it might look like for someone to come in when they're preparing to start trying to conceive rather than someone who's actively trying to conceive yeah we really love reaching people in the preconception phase um where they know that um you know maybe or maybe not they're getting married in the next six months and they know that shortly after that they're going to get ready to start trying it takes that allows us to do some like like deep kind of healing and fortifying and replenishing without the pressure of tracking and testing and um worry so it's um what was your question what's look like for people in preconception yeah so so we like to like to offer up kind of just like the the tools and the general recommendations and I I really love to offer patients like the like kind of like um choose their own adventure in terms of how invested do you want to be really early on um some people know that they they um they just want to come in for like General um kind of tuneups and like well-being and maybe aren't quite ready to do um all their labs and all their kind of hormone testings that we ask patients to do those patients that are actively trying so um and then as they're they kind of get closer to when they're ideally would start trying then they kind of we bring in more and more tools because in the initial visit we can really throw a lot at patients there's we have so many things available to help people um and so it can be a lot and so for people who are in the preconception phase it's kind of like a slow ramping up process and I think people really um do well with that and I think that everyone can benefit from like a down regulation of their nervous system and so that's really the most immediate thing that you'll notice a after your acupuncture treatment is that you just feel better like because your fight ORF flight response has been downregulated and that's a an immediate response um I like I like to bring into the fact that a patient was wearing her Aura ring where you can actually see the graphs of like your deep sleep States and um she showed me that during her acupuncture sessions like her graph of her deep sleep State went like the lowest it does do ever like even in her night sleep she doesn't get as low and that just sort of is a a visual picture to what's happening when you're on the table and your fight ORF flight gets to come offline and everyone can benefit from that and so even if that's the beginning of your treatment with us you're going to feel a shift like immediately so that's the foundation to anyone coming in for acupuncture yeah that was definitely my experience I saw an acupuncturist for the first time maybe two years ago um a childhood friend had died unexpectedly and I was really struggling with grief and I had seen a therapists and it was definitely making a difference but I I'm very like somatic and I was like o I want something that feels body based and so I went to see an acupuncturist and it made such a huge difference I think in part because because I was speaking to someone who deeply cared about every aspect of me but also because like it was relaxing very very relaxing yeah and that's um that's part of the treatment is to be heard right and to and to have empath someone who empathizes with you and and really hears what you're going through and understands that it it is a a somatic it can have a somatic respon like you're feeling ings will show up in your body right and not be dismissed that those two things are connected right that you might get from like a Western Medical Practice room yeah I hear that a lot like a patient will say U that they're they'll name like a few symptoms or like lack of symptoms and like oh I'm probably like just imagining that like and like no you're not that that's so real so really like pay attention to that like give credit to that uh because it really says a lot and it I think in our our modern day AG we're very like disconnected from like our our intuition um so we really just try to like bring it back like if you if you in your body have noticed a shift that shift has happened it's real like let's celebrate it yeah now I didn't originally plan to ask you this but since I went there is pregnancy loss something that you all help people through yes absolutely um we are here to help with grief however that is presenting either pregnancy loss or grief in isolation that you're you're having to deal with something on your own because it's still really taboo to talk about infertility and miscarriage and um again sort of like fundamentally what we bring to that is someone to sit with you in that grief and recognize that it's okay to have that your body is healing in grief as well and not to push you through it if you're not ready right um and just sort of hold you where you are in that grief um but also present um energetically healing if like coming from us um and then also like the the physicality of the the needles can help move grief interestingly um each organ sort of holds a um emotion and grief is in Chinese medicine and grief is um the lungs are the container of grief and so often times you'll we'll see um that when you're having grief you you get a cough and you get like a chronic cough and so we can energetically build up a deficiency and and help the organ itself um return to health which then helps the emotional stagnation that people feel with grief But to answer your question yes we are here for the whole spectrum of fertility care and a lot of that is um at the at the emotional level yeah absolutely I love that I love to hear that you're there for the entire journey and there's so many aspects right like someone can come to you before they're even actively trying to conceive someone can come to you while they're actively trying to conceive maybe they haven't you know made it to six months or a year but they know that hey I could use a little bit of support someone could be experiencing difficulty with the journey and someone could have experienced a pregnancy loss and you're there for all of it so that is lovely to know yeah we think like so much of the of the medicine is not just like the acupuncture and whatever therapies we're we're using whatever modalities but it's like the interpersonal connection the um the not being alone like I'm was talking about just like the being heard the space to feel it all um and then whenever they're ready a path forward too yeah um and and we're here for all that especially with just like really kind of like complex cases of like recurrent losses like we have a path forward and we'll talk to you through it like if and whenever you're ready yeah thank you for that thank you now not everyone who watches the channel even though it's called live fertile is actually trying to conceive some people have this lovely idea but I'd like to believe I planted maybe a Tiny Seed um for them that fertility is about so much more than just the ability to conceive right it's their overall health that kind of shows up in their fertility so what are some ways or maybe what are some conditions besides infertility that you all help people through oh everything um the main one and the biggest that Chinese that acupuncture is really known for and that has like the wi body of research on it is treatment for chronic pain um really any type of pain um in in the body chronic acute um any body area any joint muscle group um acupuncture is really uh incredible at treating pain in a way that um really no other therapy can and yeah um it's fast it's it's a fast response it doesn't take a lot of treatments to get you out of pain yeah and it's it's easy to treat for that very reason um so pain is a really big one really reducing inflammation um and inflammation can show up in so many different ways um kind of systemically and um there's a lot of U research that shows acupuncture brings down that kind of inflammation um kind of red hot response um whether that's something that's like seen physically or kind of in the in the deeper levels um really great for headaches so for people who suffer um like chronic headaches and migraines and you know are coming in and they're like I have 10 migraine days a month and then you bring them down to maybe like one or two and they're not even that bad um so we really shine there also like emotional regulation um people coming in with like uh anxiety and depression and can really help to um ease off some of the um the weight of those those emotional states so yeah I'd say I'd say where Eastern medicine really shines is in the um in the sort of chronic conditions so Western medicine is so good you break your leg you're not coming to an acupuncturist like you're going to the acute you know hospital but in those conditions that um the doctor's like we don't know like here's uphill for the rest of your life that's where um we can move the needle we can get you out of something that you may have thought you would have to deal with the rest of your life um that's where Eastern medicine really shines is in The Chronic conditions thank you for answering that we actually have one more question and this comes from someone in the community and they want wanted to know actually let me scroll down to it they wanted to know what time of month is best to begin acupuncture for fertility slash um when should someone start acupuncture to support their fertility they're kind of two separate questions but they they might mingle together yeah so uh you know the amazing thing is is like start now start now there's no right time in your cycle yeah uh you can be on your period you can just have ovulated you could be close to G period or maybe even potentially Pregnant start now we know all the right questions to ask to figure out kind of what areas we're focusing on um and there's no it's never too late to start acupuncture you know I think a lot of people are they're like i' I've missed my boat I should have done this a long time ago it's not going to help me like just start now um and we can we can treat you wherever you are in your cycle yeah you know it's interesting like the cycle there there's the four main um hormones of the cycle and and they almost correlate to the the 4ish weeks and so once we know what cycle day you on you're on we know how to treat you so um if you're interested just come in and we know we'll know we'll do some an initial consultation which usually lasts about an hour and a half where we really dig deep in your history but in that we'll sort of understand where you are in your hormonal regulation of your cycle and we'll know how to treat accordingly so I'd say to reiterate just come in get yourself started because we can really help yeah so if you're in San Diego when I'm jealous um but also make sure that you go visit uh Aphrodite fertility because like clearly y'all can see it they're amazing practitioners so again if you're in San Diego or you can get down to San Diego definitely stop by and get taken care of um where else might people learn more about what you do besides this video um and learn more about what it looks like to work with you yeah well we have um we have virtual appointments so if you're not in San Diego you're welcome to um book through our website for a virtual consultation um and you'll get great care through that uh um setup and then we also have a Blog which again we're a education heavy brand so our BL Blog has so much information um and so check that out we also our Instagram is education heavy as well um at Aphrodite fertility at Aphrodite fertility we're on all the social so the Tik Tok the um YouTube um the Pinterest we're on all of those so check those out um and um we we also want to announce we just moved into an incredible huge new space um in just Central San Diego in the bankers hell neighborhood so there's um you know we're bringing I don't did we talk about this in the beginning bringing on another acupunctur is bringing on an incredible perinatal massage therapist so we're really growing and we really have the space to um treat you all um so so come on in and come check out our new studio we'd love to have you and it's and it's really just our mission to help as many women as we can that is the clear um defining point that we just want to reach and help women in the darkness of infertility please come we can we can help you we can help you and we can hear you too you're definitely doing it thank you for shining a light on these important topics and for sharing all of your wisdom with us I will make sure to link to everything in the description box below make sure that you head down there so that you can connect with these two lovely humans thank you again it was lovely thank for us this was a blast

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