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Quantum Healing – How To REWIRE Your Mind in MINUTES! | Holly Copeland
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Holly Copeland, MA is a certified Human Potential coach and Biofield Tuning Practitioner, NeuroMeditation and Subtle Energy Meditation teacher, and Reiki Master. She teaches non-dual awareness and subtle energy meditation techniques and uses neurotechnology, Reiki and tuning forks in transformative quantum healing experiences and in her coaching work.
Holly's childhood passion for maps, the environment, technology and spirituality initially led her to a 25 year career as a conservation scientist mapping the Earth's ecosystems with GPS. Heartbroken by the state of the planet coupled with a personal health crisis, she set out on a new path of healing and transformation. She shifted her focus from exterior to interior and rewired her brain to a state of resilience and joy.
Founder of HeartMind Alchemy, and as a former scientist turned meditation teacher and coach, Holly unites ancient wisdom with modern science and harnesses modern technology and neuroscience to empower clients on their path to human flourishing and upgrading from “ordinary mind” to luminous awareness. She guides people out of the muddy waters of the thinking mind to live in flow joyfully and effortlessly from their own inner compass–their own stable ground of being.
Please enjoy my conversation with Holly Copeland.
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0:00 – Episode Teaser
0:27 – Holly’s journey from seeking to helping other people to helping the earth.
4:48 – The power of waking up every morning with a new perspective.
5:08 – What the Universe does to make you listen
7:14 – What is Ancient Wisdom?
10:42 – How does science interact with these ancient wisdom?
12:57 – What is the Quantum Field?
21:04 – How to rewire your brain to quiet the monkey brain?
24:32 – What is Biofeedback?
27:35 – What are the machines actually doing to the brain?
31:23 – Are biofeedback machines rewiring you?
35:11 – Breath of love is not just a blissful experience, it’s also a lived experience.
48:13 – What is the Illusionary Self?
52:11 – The teachings that limits us
56:54 – Living a Good Life
58:09 – Definition of God
58:15 – Ultimate Purpose of Life
58:21 – Works and Website
58:36 – Final Message
59:05 – End
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There is this alive,
intelligent, interconnected fabric to the universe that is
like the force. I like to welcome to the show,
Holly Copeland. How you doin Holly? I'm doing great, Alex, it's so
great to be here with you. Thank you so much for coming on
the show. I'm excited to talk to you, you've lived an interesting
life. So far, you're doing some really interesting work. So my
first question is, can you tell the audience a little bit about
how you started down this unique path that you're on right now,
where you came from, and why you are on this path? Sure, I'd be happy to, you know,
I want to roll back just to some of the earliest experiences that
I had. So, you know, to say, to start off by saying, I had been
on the seeking path, if you will, since at least age six,
when I turned to my mom in the car, and I, I kind of held my
arm out and pinched my skin. And I was like, who am I? Like, who
am I, you know. And so I like to that feels to me, like that was
actually the beginning of the journey at age six to want to
know, really at a deep level who I was. And that continued in my
teens, where I was exploring a lot of metaphysical books, and I
happen to have some parents who are exploring that, so I was
going to channelings and some, you know, things like that
meditating, you know, age 1314. And then I went off to college
and got very interested in environmental science, I was
passionate about Earth conservation. And that put me on
a trajectory of, really what I want to do with my career is to
help save the earth if we, if I want to be blunt about it, you
know, in in 12 year old terms, I want to save the whales, you
know, I could see bad things happening and really wanted to
orient my life to fixing that. And so I entered the, you know,
the university sort of scientific system, I went off on
that trajectory, I was very blessed to get a job with the
Nature Conservancy, and become that lead to becoming a
conservation scientist for them. And I was doing the things I
mean, by all respects leading kind of the dream job life out
tracking mule deer in Wyoming, tracking sage grouse and working
to protect them working on condors in California, I was
doing a lot of very cool wildlife oriented work working
with amazing people. And somewhere along the line about
five years ago, I the shall we say, the shine of that led wore
off a little bit. And what was settling was just this despair,
I hear people call it like environmental grief, feeling as
though there would never be enough time, money or resources
to save the planet. And like getting up every single day
trying to do my best. And just being burnt out, honestly, with
that. And also, at the same time, I got mold poisoning. So I
had a personal health crisis. And I was also really, really
tired of the voice in my head running the show. And just like,
even though, I'd studied the spiritual path, there was still
this narrator in my head that's felt like it wouldn't shut off.
And so I went down a journey to kind of fix all of that to get
healthy and deal with mold crisis, to rewire my brain as it
were, and just got really serious about like, I've got to
figure out, you know, that and it oriented me back into the
spiritual path too. So sort of everything was converging and a
bit of a, you know, personal crisis, if you will. And I took
a deep dive inward. Because I'm a scientist, I got super
interested in a lot of the different tools that might be
used to help quiet the mind. I got a fancy headset called the
muse to listen to my brainwaves and took a deep inner like a
much more serious, deep inner dive and meditation and learning
meditation. And if I were to sum it up, I'd say I, you know, all
of that worked amazingly beautifully, so well, that when
I came out of it, I quit my job, and I oriented my life towards
helping other people find the peace, common clarity that I've
found. Well, that sounds fantastic. I
mean, I could only imagine you know, waking up every morning
and go and I'm gonna save the world and you're like, Well, you
know, it's, it might take more than just me, and it might take
more than this Life. And granted, I knew it wasn't
just me, right? I knew it was army of people, But still in your head, but in
your head, which is your best friend, your worst enemy, that
voice is your best friend, your worst enemy all the same time.
It definitely wears on you and you have kind of this. You know,
I talked to a lot of near death experiencers. And that's the
thing that just completely shakes their entire life. And
when they come out of it, they're just a different person.
You didn't have a near death experience. But you had a health
crisis, a mental crisis, I'm sure an emotional crisis in
there somewhere that forced you down a different path. So you
were just pushed in a different way. Almost a sense. It sounds
like the universe was like, You need to start moving this
direction. And oh, you're not listening. Okay? We're gonna,
we're gonna, we're gonna hit a sledgehammer over your head. Exactly. The universe has a
funny way of doing it doing that, doesn't it? They, they tap you on the
shoulder at the beginning. They whisper they tap, they poke. And
then the wall comes crashing down. Like apparently she's not
listening. We're gonna have to take this up a notch. That is exactly. Yeah, that is
so well said I completely agree, you know. And for me, the
hardest one was waking up with my face all swollen one morning,
because I had mold poisoning. And it took me eight months to
even figure out what was wrong. But it was like a sledge Hammer
of like physical illness, to be like, you aren't listening, you
know this, and I wouldn't have believed it, then I would have
never thought like what I asked for that, or I wanted that. But
I honestly believe there are no accidents, that everything
that's happening is happening here. in service of us. And I
say that in full awareness. Because as I'm saying that I you
know, I see all the abuse and the pain and the suffering of
people. And that's a very hard statement to say, knowing that
there's real tragedy happening to real people. And in my heart
of hearts from everything I know, as impossible as that
sounds and feels I do. That is the truth that I live in
believe. And my it's my understanding that that is
actually true. Yeah. And I've said this in the
show multiple times. And I think it can't say it enough. Life
doesn't happen to us, it happens for us. And when you make that
switch, it's very powerful in your life in your own life. It
really is. Now Oh, when I was doing research on you, you
mentioned ancient wisdom a lot. In the work that you're doing,
can you explain what kind of ancient wisdom because again,
broad topic, save the world ancient wisdom? Is there any
specific philosophies? Today texts ideas? Where did you get
them from? And how did you kind of harvest those into your work? Yeah, thank you for that
question. So I when I went down the meditative path, I started
studying with some teachers who were teaching a practice called
subtle energy meditation, which is grounded in Korea, and I see
Paramahansa Yogananda behind you. Yeah, and inch and
Christian mysticism, and some Chi Gong and, you know, Taoist
practices. And that's practice, they were teaching embodied and
blended all of that. So I studied that with them, and
learned to bring, you know, energy up my spine, and what
that was about. So I started to understand the energetic the
subtle energetics that are going on in the body, which was super
profound, I had never experienced or understood how
powerful that can be, to tap into the subtle energy system of
our own body. And I also started to study Tibetan Mahamudra and
Dzogchen practices, the direct awakening practices. Are you
familiar? Not familiar with that one? No. Yeah, so these are
Tibetan Buddhist practices. And they're considered they came
after or little bit later than some of the earlier practices
that are more rooted in what's called the progressive path. So
more of like the traditional Thai Buddhist path of, you know,
focusing on your breath, and just keep focusing on breath
until you finally have these breakthroughs. And what Zouk
Chen, the great perfection says is actually that our awakening
is here right now. And we're never separate from it. So
therefore, we can point people into like, glimpses are seeing
the seeing of that even at any moment. So even right now, and
so that I found it felt that the biohacker in me was like, Oh, my
God, that sounds like a shortcut. And I'm putting my
hand up. Yes, please, can we quickly go there rather than you
know, suffer through many, you know, hours of long meditations
that last many, many weeks. So By the end those practices and
the teacher teachers that I've studied with, were absolutely
profound because for me, I think I was primed for it. I had, you
know, the meditation and and that understanding like the
Eckhart Tolle pointing to that we are not our thoughts, no or
Sadhguru we're not the body, we're not the mind are all
pointing to this understanding, but to actually experientially
step into it through these ancient Tibetan practices was
was super profound for me. And so that's some of the work that
I studied and now teach and work with people on Now, how does science interact
with these ancient wisdoms, which is one of my biggest
fascinations is anytime I have a scientist on or quantum
physicist on I love talking about the the sense of what
reality is and how the quantum field is, and all these kinds of
things and how they interact and how spirituality is interacting
with science. But I'd love to hear your, in your work, how you
how you combined them coming from a scientific background? Sure, I combined them in a
couple of ways. And the first one that I feel guided to speak
about is this idea of wholeness that David Bowen pointing
pointed to in the implicate order. And that wonderful
physicist named Skye Isaac's Nelson talks about if you
haven't, if you haven't seen his work, he's a fascinating on this
topic from Berkeley, and wrote a book called Leap into wholeness.
And so what they're pointing to is the physics, the quantum
physics of quantum physics is showing that everything is a
hologram. And that every particle or bit contains
information about the whole. So therefore, our universe is
fundamentally from from a quantum physics point of view,
all. And that understanding of wholeness is actually at the
foundation of, of non dual techniques, like Buddhism, the
Mahamudra, and Dzogchen are both non dual traditions. So I should
have maybe said that there's the Tibetan non dual traditions,
which are pointing to that, that there aren't two fundamentally
the universe is one. And so that's one example where those
two for me come together has this understanding from quantum
physics, that we aren't separate, actually marry with
all of what the non dual traditions had been saying all
along. And I'm just like, I'm just endlessly fascinated by the
work of like sand, you know, science and non dual group that,
that brings together those truths, consciousness and how
everything is conscious, you know, real society. It's really, it's really
fascinating, because I mean, quantum physics in many ways,
has it goes against materialism, which is what the basis of all
science has been, since science started to be recorded. I mean,
it gets in the West, mostly. But now, science, right. Yeah,
exactly. And then, I think it was when quantum physics came
out, the concepts that are coming, I think it was 1918 or
early, late 1800s, early 1900s. But it hasn't really moved a
whole lot other than, you know, string theory and a few other
things. It doesn't seem like it has moved, and it has created a
lot of ideas. But what it's saying scares the hell out of
the establishment. So there's like these two groups of like,
there's the old school scientists and these new school,
quantum physicists are going no, no, the world arguably could be
a simulation. We the math makes sense. Now, we know we could,
you know, and it's exactly what, you know, Hindus have been
saying about Maya, the great illusion all along. I mean, the
aborigine had been saying, this is a dream like, this is not
new. But now science is starting to catch up with it. So and I
think it's, I think it's starting to rev up a little bit
more with quantum physics, I think. Which brings me to my
next question. The quantum field. Can you explain the
quantum field a little bit? Oh, just throw me a nice easy
question. Save the world. Good. So quantum
field, let's go ahead. All right. First, I'm not a
physicist. So when I interact with the quantum field and
understand the quantum field from the perspective of the fact
that like, like ether, right, that there's this underlying
zero point field that is the basis of everything. And I'm not
going to be able to explain it anyway, in mathematical terms.
But just to say that, you know, even Einstein was pointing to
this idea of an ether. And then that's kind of a story that he
was actually saying, we think this thing exists. And then, at
one point, said that it, there was this belief that maybe it
wasn't necessary ether. And so it was kind of cast aside, but
actually, a number of scientists were saying, and now it's
researching in different forms, like the zero point field, this
idea that there is an underlying fabric, to everything that
space, there isn't just empty space, it's, it's, There's something in between the
space, Something in between, yeah. And yet I was watching
something, I think it was a documentary on infinity. on
Netflix, they were think they were talking about that in
regards to even traveling through space, that there's
this, there's this energy field that is in between everything.
And then if you tap into that, you can go even faster than
light or something along those lines, it's dark, your brain
starts to hurt after a while when we start talking about
these deep thoughts. The reason I bring these things up is
because people listen to like, this is all fascinating, but how
is this going to help me you understand the whole, you start
to understand the smaller units, which are ourselves, and the
concept of the quantum field. It sounds to me in many ways, like
it's Chi energy, it's gi energy in Japan, or if I may bring in
George Lucas, the force. There is something that is holding us
all together, moving us forward like it, you know, it's it's my
quote, Yoda, it is all around us, it is within us, it moves
through us, is that a kind of an understanding, at least what
scientists are trying to come up with. That's, that's my experience and
understanding of it to Alex that there is this alive,
intelligent, interconnected fabric to the universe, that is
like the force, you know, that Lucas talked about. And, you
know, I think quantum physics points to it, or even I'm gonna
say, in my experience, it feels that it has to be there. Because
like, when I do biofield, tuning, I do distance, energy
healing work on people. And I put my tuning fork into the
holographic field of somebody. And what that means is, I intend
with my awareness for that client to be in front of me, and
I bring the fork into there. Again, this is my imagination,
this is me saying, you know, Alex is in front of me, and I'm
going to bring my fork into the field. And my client will feel
it. And I'll feel it, even though that client may be in
Australia, 1000s of miles away. So something is connecting us,
we're in that very experience. And I have this daily because I
do this work daily with people, I feel and since the connection
between us, and it's real, and I can't deny it, and my scientific
mind may not be able to, you know, have a like, an easy
explanation for it. But it's absolutely there. And, you know,
that's I think all of the different people doing energy
work that's that's basically proven out again, time and
again, and time and again. So this alive, interconnected
network or fabric to the universe that that incredible
scientists like David Boehm and, you know, sky's Nelson are
pointing to and talking about, and many others, there's work
going on in Switzerland. I mean, there's, you've seen infinite
potential. There's much of that work going on. And so, you know,
a little bit to get back to your earlier question of, you know,
why is it the materialist science still holds on so much.
And, you know, science is founded on the idea that it's
going to take, it's not going to topple easily a new idea isn't
going to just, it takes a lot of convincing, right. And I, if we
think about it, for example, like how much do we think that
the world was flat? Before we toppled the idea that the world
wasn't? Wait a minute, the world is not
flat? I mean, I've been seeing videos on YouTube, stating the
obvious. I look outside, it's flat to me. I'm joking,
everyone. I'm joking. It's a joke, everybody. It's a joke.
It's a joke. Please, please, I'm sorry if I offend any flat
earthers out there. Okay, and then the next one came
on, you know, we thought the world went around the sun went
around the Earth, and how long did it take us to, you know,
topple that idea. And so here we are, I think at the cusp of this
next big idea, which is that it isn't a material universe. In
fact, we are it's a conscious, intelligent universe. Everything
is consciousness, in which everything is arising out.
Everything is arising inside consciousness. And actually,
what I like to do with people is to point that this is actually
true. And you can experience this right now for yourself by
just asking yourself the question, Does anything happen
outside awareness? Can I find an edge to my awareness? You know,
if I take my awareness out in front of me, or behind me, above
me or below me, is there an edge or a boundary? Right? And if you
sit in this contemplation there isn't, you know, or if I asked
you, where do you begin? And where do I end? Or where do I
end? And you begin and can you find an edge. So we can already
in our every day, like simple experience right now of being
human. Notice there's no inside or outside, you can't find one
because it doesn't exist. And that right there is actually
your, you know, n equals one experiential proof for yourself,
that, actually, there's no other, there's no separation. Now, your your transformation,
everything we're talking about was part of the transformation
that you made and the healing you did and the shift that you
made in your life. One of the big things you talk about is the
rewiring of your brain to quiet that the quiet that voice that
we all have the monkey brain that many people call it the
that the great critic in our head, how can we or how do you
rewire your own brain and kind of shifting so because I mean,
I've had Dr. Bruce Lipton on. And he talks all about the
subconscious wiring. And in the first seven years, like we were
just hardwired with our surroundings and things like
that, and those are hard to rewire. It's not impossible, but
it's hard. So how do you in your work, help people rewire?
Thoughts, patterns that are harmful to yourself? Yeah, it's a great question. I,
I would say I use two main approaches. And the first one is
the, you know, the ancient yogic techniques of learning to focus
the mind, and you can't ignore the benefit of doing those kinds
of practices. So sitting meditation, to focus on the
breath, or some other object is incredibly helpful to take some
time to actually do that. And that, you know, can be very
difficult because once you start to quiet the mind, actually,
that once you start to do that focus practice, the mind will
actually start to bring up all kinds of thought energy in the
form of thoughts that have been wanting to speak to you. So it
can set people up for what feels like an impossible kind of
mission, if you will. And that's where tools like biofeedback, I
think can be really useful. That's where it was, for me in
my, in my own story, I was using the Muse headband, which is this
amazing little device that, you know, it's only a couple $100.
And you it reads your brainwaves while you're meditating and
gives you feedback. So that if you're having a busy mind, you
hear a lot of rain. And as you focus the mind, like you focus
on the breath, the rain quiets, and you hear calm, and then
little birds start chirping. So for me, it sort of undid the
black box of the mind. And I had like, kind of like a mind game
to play. And that was, to me, that was like training wheels
for learning to quiet the mind. And it's really helpful,
especially in the beginning, to have training wheels to have
teachers and support to not think that this is not easy to
do alone. You know, and just like you wouldn't walk into the
gym, and just like, I'm just going to, you know, for most
people, you know, I'm just going to start playing with all the
machinery, you have somebody show you how it works, and you
have support, and you have a trainer, and you get help. So
tools like the Muse headband, and there are some others to
quiet the nervous system, I think are incredibly useful now
that we have them, you know, they didn't have them in India,
you know, two 300 years ago. So they have other techniques
mantras and chanting and things, but I'm a bit of a tech geek.
And so I like to use the modern tools that are available and
suggest them for people who like that kind of thing. You know, So you spoke about biofeedback,
I've actually done biofeedback the old old school way but like
you know, hooking up to a computer and the put all the
stuff in it was fascinating when you when you do it, because you
start feeling the bliss, the bliss starts to turn on. And
she's like, okay, hold on a second. We did the entry type
thing something into the keyboard and I'm like, Whoa,
like I it's, I feel it like instantly, or she wouldn't even
tell me she was doing it. And I would just go What are you
doing? I feel this I feel that and it just like it really does
rewire you in a way. That's interesting. Can you talk about
first of all, what biofeedback is for people who don't know
what biofeedback is? And what are the benefits of using
biofeedback? And how is the machine that I just talked about
differ from the muse? Okay, sure. Great questions.
Okay. So first biofeedback is where you monitor some aspect of
your body. So heart like Heart, heart coherence, which is
measured. You know, Heart Math does an amazing job of this
measures your heart rhythms and your breathing and measure
something called HRV, in order to teach you how to breathe in
such a way that you can modulate your nervous system and calm
down through monitoring of of a strap that basically monitors
your heart. So that would be one form of biofeedback. Another one
would be like the aura ring that I'm wearing, that's measuring my
temperature and heart rate and all of that, and then it's going
to give me data about my sleep and stuff like that, right. And
then what the Muse does, or your your Neurofeedback that you did
is monitor brainwaves. So rather than a heart rhythm or
temperature, it's monitoring brainwaves. And it's giving you
feedback, so that you can adjust your behavior. And then
ultimately, you don't want to need to use the tool you need,
you want to be able to get into that state without the tool. So
it's like training wheels for Well, what does a quiet mind
feel like? And if you don't know what a quiet mind feels like,
and you've never been there before, then how are you going
to know when you get there? I mean, you might be like, Oh,
this feels pretty quiet. But not, you know, it's really
helpful. If a tool can say A ha, that's it. Because, you know,
once you know what the target is, you can make your way back
there better and better and better, right? It would be like
trying to go to a archery range with no Bullseye was like, Well,
where am I supposed to point this thing? You know, you you
kind of it's very helpful to have guidance, to know what
you're what you're aiming for, and what that feels like in your
body. So what does it feel like in my body to quiet my mind? And
so Neurofeedback gives it gives you that pathway to know how to
get there. So what is the act? What are the
machines actually doing? Or that are those those those machines
what the machines are doing to the brainwaves? So like because
I felt a change, I felt a shift like she was just how do you
want to feel I'm gonna get to the end should I type something
in and I would see this and there was a program that it just
ran like for 30 minutes, and there's different waves and
different things. And as I was going through it, I just started
to feel blissful, I started to feel different. I wasn't in the
meta, it wasn't a meditative aspect of things. But it was it
was literally reprogramming the way I felt through electrical
pulses going back into my my brain. I know that sounds scary
as hell. And it's not all about me. But it can't sound like that
way. But it was very calm and gentle and didn't feel anything
physical. It was all internal is that's what's going on the
literally just changing the field, the hertz, if you will,
in your brain. So it sounds like you had
something a little different. And I want to distinguish it. So
there's, there's a type, like what I'm speaking about
neurofeedback or biofeedback is your brainwaves or your heart
are monitored, you get information that allows you to
change, It change it for me, Right nobody changes anything
for you. It just simply is a is just a feedback on what's
happening in the brain like, Wow, your brains really noisy
right now. So I'm going to play rain sound. And then as I focus
my breath, and I learned to do that, and now the rain is going
to quiet to a soft pattern. And as I get really quiet as I do it
right, then then I get a silence. That's like passive.
That's like a form, right? That's passive. There is what it
sounds like you're speaking about is more of active. Were
actually you were having an electrical signal passed through
your brain actively. Is that correct? Yeah. Oh, yeah. It wasn't it
wasn't I didn't have any sound or anything. It was just like,
she plugged me up with some sensors. And I did a handful of
sessions. And she does a lot of that I was in LA at the time.
She does a lot of the big spiritual guys in LA. So so she
was like, oh, yeah, this guy and this guy. This guy. I'm like,
okay, great. So you're in good hands. And this is kind of like
resets the brain resets the With the brain resets the body in
many ways, so there was something happening where I
walked out refreshed. I walked out blissful, very calm. You
know, non stressed, it was doing something to me. Yeah,
completely actively. I wasn't doing it myself. Okay, great. So there's a whole
side of like electrical stimulation in the brain like
TDCS type of, of sensors that it sounds like you had. And I've
only done a little bit of that I have one device that does that,
and I'm experimenting with with a home version of that. But to
say that, yes, absolutely. They, you know, people have figured
out biohackers is in the mostly in the biohacker realm still
have figured out that you can pass electrical waves, you know,
electrical stimulation at different parts of the brain.
And that can quiet the mind or that can, you know, connect
different parts that changes your experience in the brain of
being human. There's another one called Neo rhythm that gives a
pulsed electromagnetic frequency. And you can put it
across the top of your head for focus, or you can put it behind
your head for more of a meditative stimulation. And it
legitimately like if you put it on somebody, I put it on said,
yeah, kind of feels like I have a cup. I just drink a cup of
coffee, but I didn't, you know, So it's but it's actively is
that are these are these biofeedback machines are they
actually rewiring you? Or is it temporary only? In other words,
if you do this, let's say, once a week, you know, for for a
year, are you going to be able to get there yourself quicker,
or you're going to be wired kind of like that differently?
Because I know, as you know, when you meditate for a long
time, you're rewiring your brain when you meditate, like there's
no longer you meditate, the more we wiring of your brain, it
becomes so you don't get as angry as quickly, you know,
there's much more calm. So there's a rewiring. So is are
these machines helping you do that on a biohacking kind of
way? You know, I can't give you a
definitive answer on that. I'll give you an intuitive answer on
that. You know, neuroplasticity, what we know is that the more
you travel a path, the brain travels a path or develops a
habit. You know, it's like I liken it to like a rut in the
road, like your, you know, your wagon traveling down a dirt
road. And if you keep traveling down that dirt road, now you
have ruts in the wagon just kind of stays in there. And to me,
that's that's the analogy I use for the way that neuroplasticity
works and brain connections work, we keep doing something
over and over again. And it becomes habit just like driving
a car, right? At first, it's all difficult. And then you drive,
you know, you learn how to shift and now you do it second nature.
And so I would believe that those devices, you put them on
enough and you have those connections made enough, then
they're going to be established in the brain. And yes, it would
be easier to get back there over and over again. But I can't give
you a citation or something like that. But I've seen that that
works. I'll bet people have looked at that though. But
Intuitively Yeah, intuitively should work.
Alright. Excuse I only had a few sessions about it. But I've also
meditated for a long, long, long time. And I do meditate his
practice. I've just noticed in my meditation practice. My life
has changed so much over the last seven years that I've been
meditating, you know, hour, two hours, three hours a day,
sometimes. It doesn't. It does rewiring in your brain without
without question. Absolutely. Do you feel like the
devices the electrical stimulation you did changed? No, there was only two sessions.
It was it was more it was only a couple sessions. So I think that
those if I would look, if I had that machine at home, I knew how
to run it. I'd be on it every day. Like it was addictive. I
was like, on and I was like, Man, this feels great. It's like
you're, you're you're blissful. Again, the word is blissful. Not
as blissful as I've gotten in my meditations, because I go deeper
in my meditations than then the machine could take me. So I
might be past that. As far as where that maybe there's another
program. Maybe there's another level. I was maybe an
introductory, I don't know. But it there's a different feeling.
But it was just fascinating to me that all of a sudden, like
she just hit a couple keystrokes. She's like, Okay,
you're gonna get something happening. And now and you're
just like, whoa, and you just kind of you just go it's not
getting high, but it's like this blissful place that you just
like, the relaxation, the calmness, everything just quiets
down. There's nothing going on when you're when you're going
through these when you're going through this bio, bio
feedbacking process. So I was a friend of mine told me about I
was like, Oh, sure, I'll give it a shot. Why not? And it really
was It was really interesting. Again, I've been able to get to
places in deeper meditations than I could in that machine.
And I can get there more consistently now because of my
practice. But it's like you said, training wheels, it's a
good way to, if you are just coming off the street, and
you've never worked out in a gym. It's like, it's like, let's
put these on, before you hurt yourself. Let's Yeah, let's supercharge
you a little bit. Yeah, I do want to address just another
aspect of this that I think is so important, because these
tools, you know, do help focus the mind or quiet the mind. But
ultimately, the path that I spoke about the Mahamudra and
Dzogchen path, that breathwork that I teach, called Breath of
love, is really trying to catalyze not just a blissful
experience, you know, that you have on the meditation cushion,
but is really trying to help upgrade your entire life so that
this non dual awareness is actually your lived waking
state. And to me, that's more than just learning to focus that
that is way beyond just learning to focus your mind are a
blissful state, that is actually surrendering into the flow of
life that's here, this force that we spoke about earlier, and
shifting into an understanding that is beyond conceptual, that
is a lived experience, in the flow with all of life. Like
that's actually where the true real life game changing
transformation happens, where all of your life becomes a
meditation, not just on the cushion. It's these are tools, and yogic,
you know, yogic masters have been saying that for years, it
is, these are tools to get you to the place you're just talking
about. And that's why they walk around in this blissful state
all the time, yet, they're not on a cushion all the time on
rock, rock, because that's what they did back in the day when
meditators were meditators. But, but it's true, these are all
different tools, to quiet the mind and to get it again is to
get back to what the truth is, of who you truly are, you are
not this avatar, you are not this body, you are a spirit, a
soul something that is a spiritual being having the
physical experience. And, and this is such a thick, muddy,
dense reality or simulation, depending how you look at it,
that it's difficult to, to cut through all that kind of smoke
and mud, if you will, to find the core of who you are and
meditation. And these techniques that we're talking about even
the biofeedback machines, they help you get there a little bit
quicker to the point where once you understand once you get into
the place where like a Yogananda went, or these Ascended Masters
finally get leave it Oh, I got it now. I'm here now. Is that
fair? I think that's fair. And I want
to say that I think the non dual pointings it's also fair to say
that that's, I just want people to know it's also available to
you right now. I mean, yes, you can, you know, I think Adi
Ashanti said it some of the best I mean, have so many great
teachers, but, you know, enlightenment is the end of
resistance to what is and also right, yes, like, and for me, in
my own life, I in the various you know, transitions, I
hesitate to call them awakenings because just seems loaded. But
when things started to shift for me, and I had this realization,
one day I came into, I was out for a run, and I came in the
door and there's like dog hair all over the floor. And you
know, it's an ordinary Saturday morning, you know, and the house
is kind of in disarray and whatever. And I stared at the
dog hair. And it was like, all of a sudden, it dawned on me,
that wasn't a problem, like the dog hair just was, and I didn't
need to make a problem out of it. And I know that sounds like
a really silly example. But in that moment, it was like
something shifted, and I got it. And it was like, the moment our
mind makes a problem out of what's here. That's where that's
where the problem if you will starts, you know that our mind
is the thing that says, No dog hair need to clean up problem,
you know, thing to do, and it takes you out of this flow of
life. And it's not like I stopped cleaning my house. But
what I did stop doing was was constantly seeing every aspect
of things My life as a problem to be solved, it simply is what
it is. It's just dog hair. And it's just dirty dishes. And it's
just a toilet to be clean or whatever, right? It's like the
traffic is just the traffic, it doesn't care, like nothing here
actually has any opinion about what you think about it, it
really doesn't, you know, and it's only our mind that creates
this friction, or resistance to any aspect of what's here. And
to step in the flow is actually simply to recognize and allow
whatever is here to just be as it is, like, just be with what's
here, because by the time we're it's here, like we're aware of
it, it's already here, you can't do anything about it. It's here
already. So that fundamental, crucial shift that all the sages
were really talking about was just to fall in alignment with
what's here and stop resisting. And in the moment of that
recognition that we stop resisting what's here, we can
open to this potentiality of quantum field, which sky Isaac's
Nelson talks about so beautifully, everything is a
potential, and our attention, our awareness, is the tool that
allows us to shape that infinite potential, all those little
potentials that are here into our reality of what happens
next. Isn't it? Is it an interesting
that when you say the word resistance, it's in many ways,
that is the ultimate purpose of life, is to release the
resistance to surrender to what is and the great sages, the
great spiritual masters have been saying that forever and
ever and ever, in many different ways in many different flavors
for many different parts of the world. And it is about the, our
anger, when we get angry is because we're trying to control
something that we can't control. Right, the dog here, I don't
want the dog hear that you can't control that the dog ears on the
floor are all over the place. Like you, you can get rid of the
dog. And there's that's off the problem. But at the moment that
you're angry is because I'm trying to control something that
I can't control. And if you let that go, life becomes easier.
And for those of those people listening who have children, God
bless. Yeah, and I have to you I had
two young children. So I still I still do, and it's testing all
the time. There's lots of resistance. I'm trying, Oh my god, it's the greatest,
you know, it's the greatest teaching tools of all time, you
know, you want to be a parent. I always say this to people. I'm
like, You know what, all these spiritual masters, none of them
had kids. And then I one, I found one lahiri mahasaya, who
actually had kids. years late. I was like, okay, he's my, he's
my, he's my guru then. Because I need to know how he handled
children. But right, but you know, Jesus didn't have any
Well, maybe he did. I don't know. But maybe you're
different. That's a different. That's a different conversation.
You know, maybe it gives me we didn't I don't know. But
generally speaking, the the common theme of of spiritual
masters that didn't have kids. And there's a reason for that,
because when it comes to this, we're like, Listen, if you want
me to find enlightenment, I can't with like these kids. It's
difficult. Yeah, absolutely. But if we, if
we simply stop the I don't like this conversation, you know, in
our heads, and which is ending the resistance because, you
know, awareness is actually okay with everything as it is, it's
only the mind that is having an argument about what's here. And
so, if you align with your awareness, if you align to the
place that's within you, that isn't having an argument about
what's here. You, you are basically aligning with the
wholeness that you are. And in doing so you actually can
harness the capacity then to do aligned action in the world,
which is to step into, you know, wherever you want to serve. It's
not like I think people think, well, if I give up my
resistance, then the world's gonna go to hell in a
handbasket. Nope, the world's actually already in hell in a
handbasket. And what you need to do is find your wholeness, and
then you'll find all the capacity and endless love and
ability to be of service to the world that needs you. Like you
don't come as an injured soldier. You come as you know,
the superhero ready to help. Right and again, a lot of the
things that you're talking about regards to, you know, things are
as they are, if the milk spills, it's not good or bad, the milk
is spilt. That's it, you might get angry about it, because
you're trying to control it, you might get angry at the child who
spilled it, because you've told her 100 times don't do that. You
know, but at the end of the day, the thing is what it is. And
we're the ones that put that, that that label on it, which is
what I've said before, too, is, and I've heard many people say
this, there is no good or bad, what is good for you, in your
culture might be bad for me. And it's just the way we were raised
the entry point that we came in. So it might be cultural, might
be religious, might be family, that, you know, there's parts of
the world that you can eat people. I don't want to do that
not I don't think that's cool or kosher. But other places in the
world. Their culture is like what's wrong? I don't
understand. So there is good and bad is a really interesting
point of view. And life is itself. But that's a whole other
conversation. Yeah. I'm so glad you brought that up.
Because I wrestled with that a lot as somebody who has Jewish
heritage and you know, really thought about Oh, my God, wait,
how could it be that Hitler? You know, that's not bad? And how do
we get beyond that? And I think Rumi said it, you know, so
beautifully out beyond right doing and wrongdoing, there is a
field, I will meet you there. You know, beautiful, right? Like
it, we can look back. And, you know, for me, now I just look
back and have compassion. And that's like the Dalai Lama is my
example in this, you know, that no matter what he brings
compassion. And I heard some, I heard a story that he told her
Tibetan told about, you know, Tibetans that were captured by
the Chinese, the Tibetan nuns, and monks who are captured by
the Chinese who said their greatest fear was actually to
lose compassion for their torturers. That was their
greatest fear, that compassion is actually the most like, our
own sense of compassion and love is the that's that's what we,
that's like, what we are actually, if we've lost that,
we've actually lost touch with our divine and our sacred, you
know, our sacred center of who and what we really are. And so I
think the mind can get really wrapped around the axle, with
good and bad and, you know, evil and good, and can't make sense
of it. Like, I spent a lot of time just not being able to make
sense of what this perceived evil I mean, it's very easy,
right to point to in the relative world, you know, I'm
gonna say, you know, what, you know, raping women and children?
That's, I mean, how could it be more evil than that? But it that
relative level sense, I don't disagree, I actually think we
can hold both ideas at the same time. And say that, that in the
relative world is what we would call evil. And that's fine.
Like, I'm not going to have an argument with that. But at the
same time, we can hold the non dual understanding that
ultimately, we are love, and everything is arising in service
of love. And when we align with that, then we we see the world
differently. We don't we don't get split into and lose touch
with actually the love that we are. Can you talk a little bit about
the illusionary self? I know you've talked about that before,
can you explain what the illusionary self is? I would describe the illusionary
self is the confusion that the identified self, the the love
Rupert spires analogy here of the movie and the screen. So the
illusory self is thinking that we're the movie that's playing
here, you know, and so he likes to say like, there's, you know,
John Smith, the actor, and then there's the character King Lear
that he's playing. And the illusory self is to see that
we're only the actor King Lear. And we aren't. And there's no
John Smith, we lose ourselves in the movie of character, right?
And all the teachings and all the pointings from the sages are
saying, you know, you aren't that illusory self. And, again,
you can even recognize that right now. Because if everything
disappeared, Alex and you and I were floating in space, you
know, with, like, you know, Renu nothing about where we were like
I woke up right now. And I knew nothing about my history or that
I was on this podcast and your same thing like you have no. But
you still know that you are, like, what's the one thing you
would know? Right? You would say I am. Yep. And everything after
that would be a description would be a story that you're
making about the I Am, but the I Am, is actually the single truth
when everything about our known perceived reality kind of is, is
washed away. And, and so for me, the illusory self is to lose the
knowing that you are, no matter what is happening in the
external world, that you aren't a character you aren't any of
that you are this pure. Love, you are the pure because that
has no qualities to it, right? Except I would say just light
love. Just beingness the light of being, if you will, if you
want to just even love can sound like kind of loaded with just
the light of being that we are is what we fundamentally are. It was I think it was Yogananda
who said, most of us are focused on the movie. But what you need
to do is turn around in the theater and look at the light
that is projecting. MX I think that's where you need to be
going towards is that light, not the movie itself. That's just,
you know, it's just, you know, fun. It means nothing, it means
nothing. It's just it's, you know, it's really, Yeah, I think it's, you know, I
mean, and I think to see the movie is like consciousness
dancing, it's just reverse it play with itself, right? Like
you and what actually, when you step into that understanding,
there's a lightness to it, that that everything takes on. It's
like, oh, this is just dancing light. That's all it is. You
know, and I want to ask you this, this
this question I really am interested in your thoughts on
on. Why is it that we're taught from early ages, that we don't
have the power to change ourselves? That this the
salvation is always outside of us? That goes from the medical
field to religion, to it to school, to like every
institution in our lives? State that at least in the West state
that outside is the answer. But in the east, it's inside is
where the answers lie. Why is it like that in the West? The easy
questions, again, again, meaning of life, meaning of life. This feeling what, what how
spirit wants to come through for me to answer this beautiful
question that you asked. One that I've also asked myself for
sure. The risk of there's no, there's no male bashing here.
But I'm going to say that I think the patriarchal
orientation of Western society has been one of the main things
that has sent us down this road. That when, you know, maybe it
starts at Nicaea I don't know, the beginning of, of kind of
conventional Christianity. You know, Christianity is not the
only one. That's patriarchal, right? So is Judaism. Right. But
when we sort of allowed this split and that kind of looking
outside to a God, Jesus or something outside of ourselves,
we set up a kind of duality of a of a savior outside or a thing
outside that would save us and you know, the Divine Feminine
interestingly enough, is that is actually the surrender inward.
And so we have a lot in the western society, our emphasis,
at least up until, you know, has largely been on on the masculine
action oriented outside world as opposed to the inner feminine
soft surrender. And I think that orientation, which I gotta say,
it feels like that's when it started in, you know, the
negating of, of the ancient, you know, cultures that we're
pointing towards, more towards future oriented in our and
towards that Outre I feel like that's kind of where it got
started. And we, you know, and that was that then sent us down,
kind of conquest and, and this experience of, you know, it's a
very action oriented masculine experience of the world.
Interesting, right? That consciousness is playing that
out. But I have to say, I mean, there must be consciousness
wanted to see what happens when you go in the unbalanced
direction of a lot of this sort of outward oriented focus. Well, I mean, if you go back
even farther than then Christianity you even in
Egyptian times, ancient Egyptian times did the same thing Gods
outside and Mytho in Greece, you know, Gods outside of you are
the answer, not inward only in the yogic texts in the Jainism
Hinduism, deeper the Vedic the Vedic texts, they were always
talking about inner and looking inward. And that's how you
connect with source and things like that. But your I guess your
I mean, I guess, right. It's a big question. I'm sorry. It's a great question. And let
me just say two, I mean, you have to say, like, we could have
at various points, seen through that, right. I mean, oh, like, I
feel like, you know, when Decart said, I think, therefore, I am,
like, that has to be one of the greatest misstatements that's
ever been said, like, anybody who's a meditator should know
like, that is just not true. Because I can be, and there is
no thinking going on. And I definitely am. You know, and so
why, why was I Why was that held up as like? Why was he held up
as some great, you know, philosopher to say that and why
did everybody believe him? Why didn't they go? No. There was no other information.
There was no other information. Like, again, the Eastern ideas
hadn't come over yet. You know, even in a Yogananda came in the
early 1900s, bringing meditation and yoga to the west. I mean,
you know, those concepts weren't really they were kind of fizzled
around, but it wasn't in the mainstream. We can go, this is a
deep rabbit hole, we can keep going down. Let's, let's let's
pull ourselves out here before we get before it's too late.
Now, I'm gonna ask you a few questions. I asked all my
guests, what is the definition of living a good life? That's a beautiful question.
living a good life, to me is living life aligned and in flow
with what's here. And in alignment with whatever your
purpose or calling is, I think that, you know, it's playing out
differently for every everyone that could be, you know, at some
points in my life that's being a good mother or other points was
in service to something else, but it's just at any moment,
wherever you are, being in alignment with your highest
truth. I guess that's what I would say. What is your definition of God? All that is. And what is the ultimate purpose
of life? Love And where can people find out
more about you and the work that you're doing? Heartmindalchemy.com Is my
business and website and I have offerings, yeah, lots of
offerings about coaching and classes and things like that. And do you have any parting
words for our audience Just live your, you know, to the
best of your ability, I think, see through Maya see through the
illusion that's here and come to the truth that you are not
separate from anything and that you are fundamentally made of
love. You are Loved. We're are all of it. Holly, thank you so much for
coming on the show and thank you for the work that you're doing
to help awaken the world. I appreciate you my dear. Oh, thank you so much, Alex. I
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Gratitude 💗
Thank you both so much for this amazing talk.
Divine Feminine (energy, frequency, vibration) you are welcome here.
Please fill our homes, our spaces, our places, our environments, and our atmosphere.
With your love, your presence, your peace, your power, your protection, your guidance, and your wisdom. Thank you,
Blessed Be.
That is what's so magical about sending out these little messages to anyone that I see when I'm walking around I don't wait for the response I just give him the message and let them know I'm an intuitive writer and go about my day. I know that when they open it up and read the message that they will be blessed.
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The Cojatoe does not say, I think THEREFORE I am. DeCarte said, “I think; I am”. Others added the word therefore,just to clarify for accuracy. My old philosophy professor made sure we all knew that. She wasn’t a proponent of DeCarte’s work. She cared that we all got it right. ❤
Love this interview!❤
Dr Tony Naders work s “The unbounded ocean of consciousness “ and his upcoming release”. And so many more.
❤❤It's just dog hair🙏
RJ Spina say that it's the moment we forgot we are one and lost ourself in the illusion of separation that we started to look outside for answer……
If somebody hurts my child I can't not perceived as bad and will not feel compassion for the person.
to all who read this, and all who don't…sending you infinite peace, perfect health, abundant wealth, joyous freedom, and unconditional love…
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The largest patriarchal societies are Abrahamic: Judaism, Islam, and Christian!
2×4's upside the head(that's what I called it) and I too wished for and exercised gratitude for soft Whispers to take the place.
The world is not flat? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
One of the very best podcasts – thank you both for this conversation. Absolutely beautiful.
Oh I am so grateful I’m listening to your guest Alex ! Thank you for what you do ❤
"You can get rid of the dog, and that solves the problem."
Not loving that comment.
You explain this so well. These concepts are often difficult to express in words and you are doing an excellent job of it. Thank you!
Wow! I love absolutely every podcast of yours! Thank you so much for the work you do! It is so inspiring and healing ❤ I hope, one day I will be your guest, haha
Yes the light of being.❤
No there is nothing between…it is the space ,it is the unformed intelligence. Matter is the formed. It's all conciousness.all part of the oneness.
Dear Alex,
How is this machine called, where you were?
Or what advices ( effective ) do you and the audience have , for people who are dealing whith ptsd, and Depression for many years, and always seeking and trying 33:22 and still not finding their pass.
Some years you can do that, but Not the whole life!
Are there people who helps them ? Do you know healer who can help them finding their purpose.
I want to find my way! And than to help the others, which are struggeling since so long.
I would be grateful for helpful answers!!
Love to all of you❤
Alex. You are truly changing the world. Thank you for following this calling. You are supporting our awakening.
It's possible to not prefer to eat other people and still have no judgement about those who do.
Soo precious!!! Authenticity is soo needed in this time. THANK YOU. Love an Blessings.
O loves You!
Alex, or you could use acupuncture instead of electrode lady.
I often remind myself what John Lennon said "there are no problems, only solutions" it's all inside.
Her aura is blue and white
It’s not patriarchy specifically…
It is the desire of some, to control others.
When you know that the “power” resides within yourself, no one can control you.
I thought we were suppose to hear the guest talking
Release resistance-surrender to what is-possibly the purpose of life-
Can I take on my clients Karma during the quantum healing session? Thank you ❤
Alex could you elaborate on the place you went and what they did to you was called.
The Eastern way is about the truth , the truth that we have the power within and that’s being responsible for ourselves .
That’s my experience of the difference between East and West. 🙏
35:27 ❤🙏🏽💎
I have struggled with severe depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, OCD, PTSD, Rheumatoid Arthritis and chronic pain for so long. Abusive stepfather, Abusive ex-husband. I am so lost in my life. I don't know what it's like to feel normal or happy. I wish I could be hooked up to this blissful machine. My brain does not work. I don't know who I am. I love your channel Alex. I'm constantly trying to find help and answers.
Love this guest! Thank you both!
Love this, very well articulated ❤
Great questions as always 🥰🙏 Thank you so much for the eisdom
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