The Art of Time Management: Routines, Focus, and Wellbeing

The Art of Time Management: Routines, Focus, and Wellbeing

In this episode, we'll unpack the art of time management and how it impacts every aspect of life. From time blocking to the Pomodoro technique, we share practical strategies that boost productivity without sacrificing creativity. It’s not just about managing time—it’s about managing your mental wellbeing, building routines, and finding balance. We explore how mastering these skills can transform team dynamics and personal life, emphasizing that true success comes from a balanced approach to both work and life.

it feels like the world's moving such a fast pace we're busy constantly but there's a difference between being busy and efficient and accomplishing things and being busy for the sake of of just being busy and and getting nothing done everything that you need to do there's a specific time for throughout the day every single day you have to show up and you have to do that thing if you follow that protocol your productivity is just goes through the roof I promise you you have more time than you think you do you are just not good at managing [Music] it how are you how are you guys today I'm good thank you doing great started off my day like most days with a nice workout you uh prefer to workout in the mornings as opposed to the evenings I do yeah absolutely I feel like it gives me energy for the day it just gets that out of the way and now I'm clear and ready to go it's interesting I was just talking with Lindsay the other day about your routine in life and how you have to try to keep it when you're in production or you're out of town on set or working on a job and I I don't know I'd be curious your thoughts but I feel that having my routine that I have at home is crucial to me staying somewhat structured in those settings however you can't do it the way that you do it at home necessarily you're waking up at different times going to bed at different times so it's it's definitely a uh it's a learning curve to say the least but what what have you found with my when I'm traveling especially or just dayto day well yeah when you're traveling when you're working on a project how do you I mean it it becomes a a master class in time management right do you agree or disagree with that 100% I always am looking for because I'm I'm a very regimented type of individual i' I like my day to start almost the same exact way I have a very routine sort of beginning middle and end to my day for for the most part and so you know it's easy to control that when I'm here at home but then when you're when you're out and you're traveling and you're working in various cities or whatever that might be trying to figure out ahead of time how you're going to manage that that's something that I find extremely important because for for me if that gets thrown off in any way something feels weird with my day or I just can't get my head in the right place to be prepared um and so yeah I found there to be uh structures that I have to put in place in order for the for that to happen the way in which it happens when I'm at home and so there are different strategies to to to use and and uh and make it work out just fine as long as you follow and you have them you have like a regiment set up ahead of time I found have you had to learn that the hard way yeah yeah I mean especially it depends on fight times and all that type stuff will will come into play without how you have to uh you know fluctuate the the time and schedule but oh yeah absolutely found out the hard way or you sometimes when you have like a late flight that arrives somewhere and then you don't get to bed until late but then you have to wake up in the morning or or it's just odd times you have to meet at a at a location extremely early when we were doing the Burlington thing and Matt and I had to get up at like whatever 4:30 or 5 o'clock in the morning to be there you have to adapt to that and you have to change it's not going to be the same all the time so you have to figure out ways you have to figure out ways to implement your your structure as best as you can Wherever You Go is is what I've come to find out I it's it's never going to be perfect but as long as you have some sort of a structure set up before you go like okay I know I'm going going to LA or I know I'm GNA be going here this is the times that we're going to be meeting in the morning here's where I can put that thing that I like to do or you know so um yeah but it's very important I feel like it gives me a much better um my mental ability in my cognitive function throughout the day when I have that already good to go is is much improved so you're thinking about time blocking in a sense these activities into your schedule long before you ever get there I try my best to and honestly I've that time blocking is something that I learned from talking with you uh because before I did time blocking I was doing I had to-do list is BAS is basically what it was that I was was doing because that's what you you know that's that's I laugh because you know how I feel about to-do list well now I know how I feel about to-do list but but yeah but uh because when you you think it makes sense at first because you're thinking okay these are the things that I need to do here they are on the list I can see them and I just need to go through and knock those those things out problem is is you can have a to-do list that's on there for months if you don't take care of anything you know it's still there I still need to do it but if you don't have an actual plan or a Time on the calendar to take care of it many times I've found out and because I've been guilty of this that you'll put things off or then other things will come into play that you that oh now I got to do this now and then that gets put on the back burner and so that's why I think to Duelists are faulted the idea of them is fine but they're they're faulted in the long run and so I was talking to you about this because we've you know been on many projects working together and I've been telling you like man I can't figure out how to get the time to do this or the time time to do that and you would literally say to me well break down your day for me like what what's your day look like and I like well I mean I didn't really have a solid answer to give you at the time and that's when you and you just like well okay stop right there this is what my day looks like and you showed me your calendar and you introduced me to time blocking and it's basically open up your calendar everything that you need to do there's a specific time for throughout the day every single day and when it comes time for you to do that you you basically treat it like it's your job you have to show up and you have to do that thing if you follow that protocol the amount of your productivity is just goes through the roof I found that to be true with with myself 100% because you if As Long as You Follow It Like It's you have to do it it's amazing the amount of things that you can accomplish throughout a week and then a month uh compared to if you don't have a structure like that set up so you're sticking with it oh yeah nice usually near the end of my day I'll think about what I need to do the next day now a lot of times I will have things set up for as far as advanced as I possibly can but then then at the end of the day I usually look at my next day I'm like okay I know that I have that to do but then what else do I need to do like the smaller things like if I want to go whatever doesn't matter workout or anything else that I need to do I need to figure out where that can if I need to get a haircut all that stuff it doesn't matter what it is it all goes in there and then you get your little notifications a half an hour before the thing happens you're like oh got to do this now and it just keeps you it just keeps you on track and as long as you follow it and then at a certain point in my day when I can be done with all the tasks that I have I kind of just have it free flowing I mean that's more of like the you know at the end of the day when I can just relax or whatever I don't I don't keep it going then but then I've already got all the stuff that I needed to get done done do you factor in time for creativity not I mean not necessarily because as of recently it there hasn't been I haven't allowed myself to have a lot of that time put out for for myself just because of other things that I've been trying to work on um yeah I I need to probably do that yeah every block of time is like a a it's a bill it's a debt that you owe to someone or to yourself and that's what I found to be true over the years with to-do lists like you said it's I have strong feelings against them and they are flawed fundamentally because it's just a list of things that could happen at any given time with no actionable uh you know trigger assigned to them it's just this list of things that I need to get to and you can continue to add things to it and there are no rules when you time block you're putting those things into an actual time in your day that exists and so you're holding yourself accountable and a part of that is blocking time for you I Journal out all of my thoughts in the morning I go through and just literally brain dump everything that's that's on my mind that I have to do personally and anything with relox I write down in paragraph form Matt needs to do this today Matt's been working on this yesterday Matt accomplished this and it was great we had this conversation that reminds me today I need to follow up with Matt about this and I just dump all of these thoughts out and then I go through afterward and I Circle everything that's an actionable item that I need to do and then I have a separate page and I go down and I write everything that I circled and then from there I get out my calendar and I assign all of these actions to a time and I'm realistic about this is going to take me five minutes this is going to take me four hours you have to stay committed you cannot negotiate with yourself you cannot negotiate with the commitments that you made unless something has to move for various reasons stick to that and anything that comes onto your plate now doesn't feel like you're overwhelmed and all the stuff's on your plate you're in control of it and I've also found that um which we've talked about was the Pomodoro Technique which you've introduced me to as well because I have a habit to just dive in and next thing I know I've been grinding at the desk for three and a half straight hours to where I'm starting to get a little burnout which we've talked about burnout before um but I found my Focus stays better if I do that you know do say 25 minutes on or 30 minutes on and a five minute break clear my head and schedule different things for some of those time blocks those 25 to 35 minute or even 55 minute time blocks or okay for this time block I'm going to do this take my five minute break and the second one just to get my brain doing something different to refresh I'm going to do this for the next one and and and and block it out that way that that seems to work for me that's something that is not talked about enough but creatives especially creatives who also work in some sort of executive or business capacity as the three of us do you have to find these little tricks you have to find these ways of navigating whatever you're doing throughout the day and staying too focused on one task even if it is going to take you three hours I'll never sit down for 3 hours straight unless I absolutely have to I will always if I have a 3-hour Time block that's first addressed through like I said earlier journaling creating my to-do list and then assigning that to-do list to specific time blocks on my calendar once that's done the bigger blocks if it's really anything over a half hour that's when I will approach it with the pomodora technique and for anybody doesn't know what that is it is setting a timer that allows you extreme undivided Focus for a chunk of time usually 20 to 30 minutes and then the timer goes off and you rest walk around forget about your work for five 10 minutes and then back again I started doing this when I was still an editor I would sit down instead of having a 5H hour editing session I would say say okay I have a half hour and in this half hour I'm going to set goals for myself and it sort of gamifies it in a way for yourself and the the feeling of of reward and accomplishment when you do that keeps you going and then before you know it the day is over and you can look at the work that you did yeah I agree with that another thing it helps for me is sometimes when you're on something for a big chunk of time it's like being too close to a project you're too close to it sometimes to see the forest through the trees you know um and I think better when I'm on my feet I'm a mover I'm not a sitter I'm I I walk I Pace I move around and that's when my brain does its best thinking so that five minute break when I'm out doing things it's subconscious I'm not trying to think about I'm trying not to necessar I'm just trying to let it go but that's typically when Solutions or I'll be able to think through something I've a hard time necessarily wording or something like that that all comes to me during that that period of attachment from it and movement yeah I think a lot of what we're talking about is combating the feeling of being overwhelmed a lot of times as well and so what you were talking about before Josh with the with the time blocking it it it correlates to the Pomodoro Technique in in the way of okay if you have all this stuff that you know that you need to get done and you're looking at this mountain in front of you that can be very daunting and I've known many times for myself myself personally like I almost get anxiety when I have that feeling inside of my head where I don't even know where to start because I know that I have all these things that need to be done and I'm I have a difficult time maybe it's just the the way that my brain works I have a difficult time picking the first thing and going if I don't have this set up for myself that was the big thing that helped me once she uh introduced the time blocking uh to me but it works the same way with the Pomodoro Technique because yet another thing that I've learned from you we're just taking little chunks out of time and it feels a lot less overwhelming that way everyone can say they're super busy and it's true we all are especially in in 2024 for one it feels like the world's moving such a fast pace we're busy constantly but there's a difference between being busy and efficient and accomplishing things and being busy for the sake of busy of just being busy and get and getting nothing done and I think we've all been guilty of that where before I started practicing some of these techniques or really trying to hone in my ability to be efficient it was man I'm so busy I I have so much on my plate I have so many things to do and I and I look at the to-do lists that go on forever that never get you anywhere and never get anything done I'd be so busy that I didn't have time to do anything and or get anything but I get nothing accomplished until I started you know really trying to practice a lot of these techniques and now i' I'm still probably just as if not busier than I was before but it doesn't feel that way now now it's just this is what I'm doing and I get things done and at the end of the day my stuff's checked off and I don't have to I don't feel that overwhelming sense of avalanche you know what you described Michael you you talk about it as if something's wrong with you maybe but there there isn't it's it's a very normal thing down to you talk about when you set little goals for yourself it feels good it's easier to digest it's easier to accomplish those in Psychology it's just called chunking it's why phone numbers aren't one long number they're broken into chunks it's important for people to realize setting goals in activities in your to-dos for the day for the week should be approached the same way if not you deal with what you just described where you feel overwhelmed that's often referred to as decision fatigue so you've got a million things that you need to do it's a real thing where you now feel fatigued I didn't know that was thing it is decision fatigue is a real thing the other thing that I've been guilty of over the years is what they call analysis paralysis where you you're analyzing what should I do I should if I do this I can you know but if I if I do this one this is going to happen and and you go into paralysis of just analyzing everything instead of actually doing anything the reason this is an important topic is because it's not only for your mental well-being it's for your productivity like mattress said you know when I hear people say I've been so busy I've been so busy I'm you know there's everybody knows that person who just wants to tell you how busy they are it's like I don't care tell me how productive you are what have you done in that time you know if if I'm walking at a very casual Pace but I'm headed in the direction I want to go and you're running as fast as you can and wheezing and almost dead but all you're doing is is running in circles in your bedroom which one of us is more productive but which one of us is busier yeah that's that's nice that we'll just call it a charade of how busy you are and how you're so much busier and no one else on Earth understands how busy you are let me see your screen time on your phone how many hours were you on Instagram this week today you have time I promise you you have more time than you think you do you are just not good at managing well I think that there's also there are people out there who don't intentionally waste time or they don't intentionally put things off some people definitely do but I would say majority of people are are trying to do their best but they don't they've lived their life a certain way for their entire life up to that point and they've never been given any of these techniques and so the wasted time they have within their day doing whatever it might be scrolling on Instagram or anything that we have to distract us now they don't even see that as being time that they're wasting because they've never had a regimented schedule before so it's not it's not as if they're being you know maliciously not not using their time in the proper way and then when it comes when it comes to hey the Project's delivered you don't have anything why oh man so busy they just have never had a a structure to hold themselves accountable to I found that for sure once I started to do the time blocking it's crazy how much I mean this could be done with anything that you do in your day that you're not thinking about that that is a waste of time it's crazy once you do have those uh those time blocked out on your schedule and your your day seems to go by so much faster we're just not conditioned we're conditioned against that by now with you the nature of our society and the world and everything that's so instant in our palm of our hand that we're conditioned away from that so I think you're right people don't intentionally do it it's just something that they you have to retrain yourself and recondition yourself against Decades of conditioning Matt when you're on set you have to manage your time you have to manage many other people's time you're delegating tasks left and right and you've said on this show already that Fitness is very important to you I know I've seen you rrap a 12-h hour day and then find the nearest treadmill more than once in more than one state on different projects can you walk us through how you process that and how that's maybe evolved over over the years yeah um you know part of it is you you you you set your production schedule for the day ahead of time and you've gone over that over and over and over again with your ad Department with your director with the other producers whoever you have on their your department heads and it's locked in by the time you're on your shoot day that's locked in that's your schedule and you adapt as you need to to make your day but it's there this is the call time camera up by this time we're shooting here at this time and this this is the amount of time allotted for each scene or each shot each setup and so that's the production but you're a meditator as well yeah so how do you I mean you can't do your normal routine throughout the day right like even the stuff that isn't like taking time to meditate or running just your normal routine at home even during pre-production you're you are in com pretty much complete control of your schedule when you eat lunch when you wake up essentially you can be a lot more flexible when you're in production do you find that even the lack of being able to do that throws you does it mess with your with your health your your mental well-being your physical health I do everything I can to prevent that um no matter what time we have to start if we have a 5:00 a.m. 5:30 a.m. call I'm not getting up at 3:30 in the morning to go for a workout unless I absolutely have to but I'm not especially not being a morning person by nature but I will always absolutely always meditate every morning I will allow that time I will make I will get up an extra half hour earlier than I need need to to allow myself that 20 minutes to meditate with a 10-minute cushion and then uh as far as my workout then I'll meditate at lunch I'll meditate on my lunch hour you know if it's a 30 minute from last man or a full 60-minute lunch there's time I don't need to eat that slowly so I will go meditate first in my car or in po or the uh trailer or just someplace quiet where I can sit by myself for 20 minutes away from everybody and then uh come back and do my lunch and I inhale my food and know like I'm in prison anyway so it goes down pretty quickly um and then at the end of the day then like you said you've seen me go right from the end of a 12 14 hour day right to the treadmill or right to the gym no matter what state or yes that's what I'll do you know if we need to have a meeting and you afterward let's try to make it efficient or let's take a break or have a dinner break and then do it but everyone needs a little wind down time I need to do that for my own sanity how do you know you need all of that what happened that that made you realize you need to to to have the routine that you do years of just years of experience but I can't say it was one episode or one Monumental collapse or failure or disaster anything like that just knowing myself and seeing what made me run more efficiently what made me feel better and kept me on my aame so I didn't feel foggy or cloudy and that I was able to adapt mentally on the fly with efficiency it was more of a cumulative effect over years and noticing okay if I tweak this this works better and I feel better and I can think more clearly if I do this I have more energy throughout the day I don't feel overwhelmed I'm not getting lethargic my I'm more even killed I don't have my temper doesn't get going I'm I'm more stable and uh level the entire time I keep a certain level throughout the day better and I you know I think it's fatigue and frustration that leads to uh well it's fatigue and that leads to frustration which can lead to anger which can lead to clouded thinking which just starts that cycle and it spirals like a snowball going downhill but I do all of those things so that doesn't happen and it's just years of figuring out what works and what doesn't and you know losing my temper a few times when I was much younger and realizing well that got me nowhere that did the opposite of what I needed you know yeah what about you Michael did you have a turning point I don't know if there was a a singular Turning Point point maybe it was a uh a few different things that happened to me in a in a row and then just slowly learning that I needed to um better better manage how I was how I was operating throughout throughout the day in order to get things done it probably happened the most abruptly in a in a previous project that we that we were working on that I spoke on before with working on candy corn I would I would imagine was the biggest one I just didn't I I could not find time it didn't seem like I could find the time in the day to get everything done that I needed to do within the time window that I needed to get it done by when you look back on that now handling your time management the way that you do today do you feel that you could have found more time as you say oh yeah yeah what do you think was the reason looking back easy I just didn't have a uh I didn't have a schedule set up for myself I didn't have I was just getting up and and going that was that was what it was I I get up I knew that I had to get this done but I didn't have to get all of this done until over this date over here right where I wasn't giving myself a regimented uh methodical approach on a daily basis of what I wanted to get done by the end of the day by the end of the hour and so when you don't have a when you don't have like a clear path to look at in front of even on those smaller steps like that I feel it takes you longer to get to to your Finish Line if you're only looking at the finish line is way down there I need to get there as opposed to the Finish Line is there I know that but here's what I need to get done in one hour so you were looking at the to-do list correct and just grabbing whatever of it yeah certainly that it was because I didn't have a a time management system what sounds like time management was is a huge part of it but it also sounds like understanding how to identify the priorities on your on your list that's a big one that I found and it that's what I'm hearing you say as well before you start something you need to ask yourself is this the best use of my time what is important and what is urgent because those are two different things everything on your list is important or it wouldn't be on your list and if it's not important take it off of your list but important isn't always urgent urgent is always important you can easily be working on something that is urgent and still reach a point of diminishing returns because you've already done what you need to do but you're still working on it you're still collaborating you're still talking you're still it's like what we needed to get done is done move on to the next next so it's that's when asking myself is what I'm doing right now the best use of my time that forces me to to look at what else could I be doing with this time and go oh wow no this is not the best use of my time it was for the first hour and a half but I did what I needed to do now for the next half hour the best use of my time is this right here yeah yeah and I've also found that uh I'm no longer willing like I was when before I knew better I'm no longer willing to sacrifice my mental and physical well-being because that's not a good use of my time sacrificing that doesn't lead to better results it just wears me down and makes me incapable of delivering at the caliber that I need and I am able to deliver at so by making sure my physical and mental well-being are taken care of I'm much more efficient I'm much more productive and I'm better for everyone else around me that needs me to be that way and uh down to the fact that I'm a neat freak and bit of a neat freak and a clean freak for multiple reasons I won't get into but uh I've noticed that uh clutter around is symbolic of the clutter in your mind to me and get rid of the Clutter from your physical world and it gets rid of the Clutter from your mind you can think more clearly at least that's how it works for me so I keep things that way you know how is it affecting everyone else around you that can create either a driving culture or it can create a cancerous Cesspool you you're you're prioritizing yourself of course but in doing that you're bringing a version of yourself that is able to perform at the highest level possible that creates a domino effect to everyone else around you yeah you're right it's 100% accurate you know it leads back to a phrase that you use all the time that has now stuck with me constantly and I think it every single day slow is smooth and smooth is fast and I remind myself every day since you said that to me that's the process keep it slow and steady and smooth and you'll get there quicker well I'm glad to hear that Josh I'm curious about when it comes to prioritization what is your what's your process like what's your method of thinking when you have a large task it doesn't even have to be a large tax but let's just think of it in this way there's a big project that's coming up that you you have just spearheaded we're just starting it how do you determine where everything is prioritized on your list and then what do you do to create a a Time blocking system for that after you after you've recognized the priorities of it knowing what do the final picture look like what does it look like when we've crossed the finish line and we've succeeded and then I reverse engineer near that as I said before it's an everyday process for me of revisiting okay what happened yesterday brain dumping that what do I still need to touch on what do I need to figure out what Loose Ends do I still need to tie up from that what are we doing today what needs to happen tomorrow it's sort of existing in that three-day window at all times it's always based on getting a cross the finish line efficiently and effectively if you have a a very clear picture set out for yourself that's already been time blocked you know exactly the path that you're going to go down to achieve what you need to achieve and then something comes up maybe an emergency happens a huge problem that has occurred and now you have to interrupt this this flow that you have set up for yourself do you do you just put put that in in the middle of your time block and then push everything down the line how how do you set that up Finish Line stays where it is you can only do something delegate it or don't do it it's the only three options you have with any task not doing it is not an option if I've committed to it so if I'm put in a position from external forces let's call it an emergency that makes me incapacitated in my abilities to do what I need to do I delegate it I'd like to ask a quick question we asked you asked Michael in the beginning Josh just to kind of go back to that and you you kind of maybe touched on it with the journaling and that you do every morning but you asked Michael earlier what he does creative every day to stay creative every day what do you do I've done a lot of things over the years I have been quite a renaissance man and trying to discover a creative outlet that I love love I have tried charcoal I've tried oil painting I love playing music the thing that I do more than anything as that outlet is I walk a lot that's become a creative process for me to really clear my mind and in that time I will listen to audio books I'll listen to other podcasts and I talk to my myself like a madman where I'm talking through ideas it's it's an itch that I always have to scratch I think it's important to try those different things I think it's interesting when what you do for work is so creative then in turn finding like what you had just described and what you had asked me earlier what do I devote any time throughout my day for creativity a lot of times what I'm working on is cre creative and so I'm not taking any additional time out even though I know that it is important and what you had just talked about with painting or whatever it might be I need to do a better job with that because I know how much I love that and how much it stimulates my mind it's interesting though it also gives me I've noticed on days when I just am doing what you if I play my guitar for fun and I don't have to write anything for anybody and I'm not getting paid to do that it's interesting the gate ways in that open up in my head like the freedom it almost seems as though you have in those situations a clear mind coming out of it to to come up with fresh ideas almost when you go back to work I I will say that the caveat to that echoing what what you just alluded to is that you need an escape if you are working in an office or you're working in a job that does not fulfill your creative needs you need to schedule time for yourself every day even 20 minutes to be creative to allow yourself that expression that outlet however if you are creative all the time and you and you love it we love what we do that itch for me at least is scratched often I get excited building what we're building I get excited after shooting these episodes I get excited after you know having a two-hour brainstorming session on a new project that we're doing that is creative that can also be draining over time so it's important for people like us to take time not necessarily to be creative but definitely take time to do something that forces you to take your mind off of your work if that happens to be another creative Outlet fantastic but they're not mutually exclusive it sounds like you you prioritized this into your life oh absolutely I thought I wasn't a morning person until I started getting up and having my alone time for an hour before facing the world then I realized I actually am a morning person I just need my time before I give myself to anything else and prioritizing that has been great for myself for my mental and physical wellbeing for the well-being of this company for my relationships it's it's been crucial I found that not every day but there are many days most days probably that around 23 p.m. I need that break again you guys know what I'm talking about on some of those days that are just high frequency all day long I have to take that so that can be meditation it can be as funny as it might sound doing the dishes cleaning is something for me yes I know most people hate don't like to clean I love for me just meditative in a sense it's part of my nightly routine I got to do my dishes every single night you know yeah it's funny that we all have that in common doing what we do finding finding peace and almost a meditative experience through doing dishes or or cleaning something rather mundane yeah yeah I mean I do a lot of writing and a lot of writing stuff too and I like I like to write I I because I find what you said like what we do is very creative I love doing what we do making the decision make problem solving the way you problem solve giving script notes or brainstorming with a writer on script ideas and stuff like that but I like to make something nice for dinner I love to cook something nice and make something creative for dinner every night while I listen to an audio book or listen to a podcast or some nice jazz or something in the background so find that for yourself and give yourself that opportunity you're going to feel better you're going to bring a better version of yourself back to the project and and people will realize it most people think about it in a strict working fashion getting things done for work or whatever it might be but really it's about just fulfilling and maximizing your life in your lifestyle work is one part of your life you need to be able to do this and you need to be able to do efficiently and and put out a high product at a high rate but also all of the it allows you when you time manage it allows you to do all the things in your life that you love to do that fulfill you on all these other levels like meditate like being creative whatever it might be when you when you have more time in your in your day because you have created that for yourself it just opens up all the possibilities for what's capable U of of of achieving and living inside of your life that's something that is UN iously sought after is the freedom to do what you want to do I firmly believe that approaching time management the way that I've outlined it puts you in complete control and that in turn gives you the freedom gives you the ability to work on your mental health on your physical health on your relationships on your education whatever you want I feel that it is the only path to putting yourself in a position to take control of all of those things otherwise you're just buried in an endless to-do list dealing with decision fatigue being very busy and not productive thank you for joining us on this episode of throwing the switch by relox if you've enjoyed today's episode subscribing and leaving a five-star review will help us reach more creators like you you can stay connected with us on Instagram Tik Tok and Linkedin and you can visit revo.com to keep up to dat on our latest projects until next time keep creating keep innovating and keep powering your passion

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