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[Music] something else i've changed my mind on yeah i'm way way way more bullish on sauna than i have ever been before i used to be in the camp of sauna feels great it maybe even helps you sleep a bit better um that's probably about it like there's no way you're going to really live longer because you're in a sauna and while truthfully we don't have really great prospective data or sorry i should say we have good prospective data we don't have good randomized data i think this is one of those things where the burden of evidence in the non-randomized data is so strong it's becoming hard to ignore so most of the research on this subject has come out of finland and the lobbyists yeah um and so there's the obvious issues with this right the people who can afford dasana are by definition going to have more time on their hands more disposable income probably more education like all of the standard uh things on top of that if you're going to choose to sauna because you believe it's healthy what else are you doing because you believe it is healthy i mean right so so you know if if the data showed that sauna versus non-sauna was like a 5 improvement in mortality it would be hard to get that excited about it but when you look at the largest published series on this you see a benefit in all cause mortality a relative absolute permanent a relative risk reduction of 40 percent and an absolute risk reduction of like 18 those are those are high numbers those are ridiculous numbers and that's when you um are comparing someone who owns like saunas four to seven times a week i was gonna ask yeah so what's the dose in frequency what's the yeah yeah what's the discrepancy and what do you believe the minimum effective dose to be kind of like the zone two training you described what it is and then you said that yeah three hours just to get to the punch line i i think based on the research the med is four sessions 20 minutes 80 degrees celsius four sessions times 20 minutes 80 degrees celsius yep oh you fahrenheit what's the conversion there i should have that's about 175 fahrenheit 175 fahrenheit got it dry wet there's much more literature on dry you know i actually had a call with a patient this morning and this topic of saunas came up and she asked if she could substitute steam rooms and such and i said we just don't know because we don't have the data um so the you know the precautionary principle would say if you have access to a dry sauna that's where we have reams and reams and reams of data so it's probably where it goes but look if you think about what the mechanism of action is yeah i was going to ask you next is it heat shock proteins is it something else i think it's many things i think it's heat shock proteins i think that's nitric oxide i think it's like literally vascular tone right reduction in blood pressure uh it's an it's like you know increase in heart rate and cardiac output so there's a bit of an exercise benefit um i don't know if bdnf i think bdnf has been measured i can't recall that could be another uh potential benefit so my guess is bdnf brain derived neurotransmitter perfect factor yeah i think it's probably half a dozen things that are all moving in the right direction um it's funny when i have done some sauna ing i've done lactate checks in there to see if it gets me to la zone two it's not so it's not a pure exercise memetic because it doesn't even get me to the level of a zone two workout um at least when it comes to a pure you know adp atp uptake or atp production standpoint but yeah i've become like really optimistic on this and i think it's uh i think it's very promising and i think it's again it's the challenge is how scalable is it right like it's not as it's not that easy to do i would imagine also contraindicated for a lot of folks yeah yeah i suspect you know if you're if you're really far down the line of your health is is suffering and you're you know particularly old or something like that or your heart's a little more frail yeah this would this might push you a little bit beyond so again it speaks to sort of prevention and and hopefully with covid kind of winding its way down and enough people getting vaccinated people can get back to gyms where saunas are and things like that yeah amazing you
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Does this include hot tubs? Will they harm kidneys?
“people getting vaccinated” Yeah OK Peter!! 😂😂
I have asthma, rinitis and sinusitis i am starting sauna, but first days i did sauna it is really tired for the body, but nights i am feeling better in sleep, big difference in terms of health
Such a good start why ruin it with a stupid vaccine
Before modern medicine, everyone used to do that
People who can afford the sauna??? Bro we in the 21st century access to a gym facility with a sauna isn’t exactly trying to find gold! Mad man 😅
10 min x 3 sessions is middle. Start at 5 min x 2 sessions. Can't go 20min x 4 sessions right off the bat. Thanks for changing your mind and moving upwards.
The last sentence by Attia aged like a 💩
The studies they talk about in this are focused on finnish saunas, which are not technically dry – they are hot with some steam at a heat of 180 degrees F by throwing that water on the rocks. My gym sauna is completely dry since they removed the rocks, but it is very intense being completely dry at those kind of heat levels. I am going to build a traditional finnish sauna – for now, I have an infrared sauna at home until I can build the major new addition! Sauna is changing my health and life. There is a reason why Finland is one of the happiest places on earth!
80degreesC, 20mins, 4 days a week, wouldn't that kill your sperm and make you MUCH less fertile?
Humans didn't evolve living close to hot springs.
That data is just showing that people who can afford a sauna do better cause they got $$
Apparently, it doesnt help hairgrowth
I just wanted to share how happy I am with my infrared sauna. After a heart attack last year, I’ve been trying to prioritize my health, and this has been one of the best decisions I’ve made.
I use it about 4 times a week for 30 minutes. My circulation has improved, my muscles recover faster after exercise, and as a diabetic, the fact that my feet stay warm for hours after a session is such a relief. It’s also helped my skin look healthier, and I’ve been sleeping better too.
I chose a low-EMF, high-quality unit from Future Form Official, and it’s honestly the best investment I’ve ever made for my health.
Maybe saunas can help unclog hair follicles and promote hair growth.
He said vaccinated
…… 👀 😅
Sauna clearly doesn't aid in promoting hair growth🤣
He lost me at getting vaccinated!
Here in Finland Sauna is in pretty much every apartment and if there is not own Sauna, in cheaper apartment buildings, there is a joined Sauna downstairs and everyone have their own time to use. It's not for the rich, here its is for everyone
So basically this video is pointless. Some obvious information I guess
That a-hole said hopefully enough people are getting vaxxed. How can anyone take him seriously? Idc if the video is 3 years old.
Bro, did you really just push the VAX? 🤦🏻♂️
Keep going into saunas! It’s good for you! Most of these doctors just wanna prescribe you meds that’s not good for you.
Yes, sauna is much better than icebaths.😅
He lost me at his pro Covid vax comment. 😂
Remember a dry sauna always gets water thrown over it. Never seen one without a bucket of water and a spoon. It will make it more intense, and is how everyone in nordic countries do it. Would be surprised if the study was "dry dry"
My skin breaks out when I use a sauna unfortunately
Your opinion is based on a return on your investment
He didn’t really say anything though…
He is so ignorant. doctor of what. Have a vax shill boy
Peter “ppl getting Covid vaccinated” 🤦🏼♂️
The doctor is dumb as a rock about "benefits" of clot shots.
good thing I didnt get vaccinated lol
Sauna is healthy. I don’t know what all the talking is about. This is literally the dumbest convo I’ve ever watched. People today are trying to knit pick EVERYTHING. One day tomatoes are cancer the next YOU NEED THEM!